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Alejandra27 Posted: 03-10-2010 2:47 PM

My chart AND calendar says that my infertil phase begins in two days ... put it has today as my peak fertil day and nothing in temps indicates that I've ovulated.

Shouldn't the infertil phase show as at least 4 days after my peak day?

 

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Melissa replied on 03-10-2010 6:58 PM

Peak day refers to most fertile day based on cervical fluid, not temperatures. Today is marked as peak due to ewcm - if you continue to have fertile cervical fluid the peak day may move.

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Alejandra27 replied on 03-11-2010 10:16 AM

so my chart calendar/chart is supposed to say that tomorrow I'm in an infertil phase? based on what? That doesn't seem to be accurate.

What does the beta software use to determine fertile/infertile phase? I really don't think it should say that my infertil phase starts tomorrow if my temp hasn't gone up this cycle and I still have fertile cervical fluid ... it just doesn't make sense to me.

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Melissa replied on 03-11-2010 12:38 PM

Hi Alejandra,

The software is calculating the beginning on your infertile period based on the cycle data you'd entered. You previously told the software that your average cycle length is 28 days with a 13 day luteal phase. So, based on that data, the software assumes you'll be ovulating around CD15 with the end of your fertile period on CD17. If you'd like to change this data, you can do it in the Fertility Planner.

The software will continually adjust based on the data you enter - if you do show a temperature shift the software will calculate ovulation and adjust your fertile period. The more data the software has (the longer you chart), the more accurate your calculations will be.

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Melissa replied on 03-11-2010 12:38 PM

Hi Alejandra,

The software is calculating the beginning on your infertile period based on the cycle data you'd entered. You previously told the software that your average cycle length is 28 days with a 13 day luteal phase. So, based on that data, the software assumes you'll be ovulating around CD15 with the end of your fertile period on CD17. If you'd like to change this data, you can do it in the Fertility Planner.

The software will continually adjust based on the data you enter - if you do show a temperature shift the software will calculate ovulation and adjust your fertile period. The more data the software has (the longer you chart), the more accurate your calculations will be.

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Alejandra27 replied on 03-11-2010 3:08 PM

I made up my cycle data because I've only had 2 periods in the last 3 years (due to pregnancies and nursing).

I assumed it would change as I entered data ... but I assumed it would change based on the temp and cervical fluid data I entered. Is the fertil/infertil phases on the chart/calendar only going to change based on cycle data? If so, it isn't very helpful for me because I don't have any idea when I'll have another period but I definitly don't want to get pregnant AGAIN (hence I'm looking for something to help me determine when I should avoid intercourse).

I know I can do all this charting without the program and even with the program I won't think that tomorrow is a 'safe' day just because the software tells me I'm in an infertil phase, but i assumed that this program would work for all the use cases discussed in the TCOYF book which includes determining a BIP or charting in periods of your life when you don't have regular menses - which it is not doing if it is determining infertile phases only based on previous cycles.

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Alejandra27 replied on 03-12-2010 2:04 PM

In the Cycles preferences section under cervical fluid I selected

"Use cervical fluid observations to identify the start of my fertile phase. " and I made sure that
"Override my cervical fluid observations if my cycle history suggests that I am probably infertile. " was NOT selected.
I thought that this would make my charts show more accurate fertile/infertile phases, but checking the option above did not change my chart at all.
Is it that:
1. it takes time for the changes to reflect on my chart/calendar
2. the option is not currently working as it should
3. that option actually does something else I am not aware of but does not affect which dates are shown as fertile/infertil ?

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Melissa replied on 03-12-2010 5:39 PM

The software will update based on data entered, not just cycle history. However, the amount of data you have entered is extremely limited - you only have 6 usuable temperatures and didn't enter any data at all before Cycle Day 9. So, at the present time, your cycle history is the most usable information the software has.

The same goes for your cervical fluid - your cervical fluid observations aren't being "overriden", but as charted, your cervical fluid isn't showing a discernible fertile pattern - you've noted 3 isolated instances of fertile CF. Based on the pattern of cervical fluid you're observing, I would usually suggest basing calculations on temperatures only, not cervical fluid.

The more you use the software and enter data consistently, the better it will work for you. I would also suggest trying to change your cycle history to something closer to your most recent cycles. I realize you aren't having "regular" periods and there will be some guesstimating involved. But what you've indicated to the software is making it thing that you are having regular 28 day cycles.

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Alejandra27 replied on 03-14-2010 9:12 AM

thanks.

 

I did change it to go based on temperature only instead of both temp sand cm. I myself am frustrated with my cm pattern (or lack there of) so I can understand the sfotware not being able to get a pattern.

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Melissa replied on 03-15-2010 7:16 AM

You're welcome!

I'd keep charting CF, just not using it for calculations. Because if you're using the software for TTA it's best to have the CF data as well.

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